It's time to revisit the disaster scenario for stock prices (2024)

The stock-market tumble of the past week has reminded everyone that stock prices also go down.

So this seems a good time to remind everyone that stock prices could go down a lot further. In fact, stock prices have to go down a lot further — or, at least, have to stay generally flat for a very long time — just to get back to historically average levels of valuation and performance.

Specifically ...

Today's stock prices are so extreme that a drop of 40% to 50% from the recent high would not be a surprise.

Indeed, it would take a drop of this magnitude just to get back to average long-term valuation levels, let alone cheap.

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Meanwhile, after seven years of frantically pumping money into the financial system, the Fed is not only still going full bore (interest rates are zero) but facing ever increasing pressure to ease off the gas.

So if stock prices do drop sharply, it doesn't seem likely that the Fed will be able to do much to help. It just doesn't have any ammo or political capital left.

Meanwhile, corporate profit margins are still close to all-time highs, wages are still at all-time lows, and average American consumers still have debt coming out of their ears.

So it seems likely that, at some point, profit margins will decline, wages will rise (we can only hope), and average American consumers will continue to rein in spending — none of which will boost further profit growth.

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Meanwhile, interest rates are still at all-time lows. So if and when the economy does finally gather a sustainable head of steam, interest rates will most likely rise. And rising interest rates don't tend to be helpful to stock prices.

So that's one scenario for stock prices over the next several years:

  • Stock valuations revert toward long-term averages
  • The Fed eases off the gas
  • Corporate profit margins revert toward their long-term averages (hopefully because companies finally start to share some of the wealth they create with the people who create it)
  • Consumers continue to save money and work off debt
  • Interest rates rise

If any of those things happen, stock performance will most likely be poor for many years.

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But that's not the disaster scenario. That actually seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario.

The disaster scenario is that some or all of these measures do not just revert toward their long-term averages but instead revert beyond them — the way they almost always have before. This mean-reversion would take stock prices more than 50% below the recent high and keep them there for an extended period.

If we go from a multidecade era with spectacularly high stock prices, spectacularly low interest rates, spectacularly high profit margins, and spectacularly stimulative Fed policy to an era characterized by the opposite (like the 1970s), the sharp crashes and relatively quick recoveries of 2000 and 2008 will seem like brief, happy corrections.

It took about 25 years for the economy and market to correct the extremes of the 1920s. It took another 25 years to fully work off the (much lesser) extremes of the 1960s.

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The extremes of the late 1990s, which have extended into the 2000s and, now, the 2010s, are, by some measures, the most extreme in history.

It should not come as a surprise, therefore, if it takes us as long, if not longer, to work them off.

(Pictures are worth a thousand words, so please see the charts below.)


Stock prices are extraordinarily expensive. Today's cyclically adjusted price-to-earnings ratio is the highest in 135 years, with the brief and temporary exceptions of 1929 and 2000. Interest rates, meanwhile (red line), are basically as low as they can go.

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Robert Shiller

And it's not just the cyclically adjusted P/E ratio that suggests stocks are at extreme levels. Many other historically valid measures do, too. For example, the "Buffett Indicator." Warren Buffett once said his favorite measure of stock-market valuation was total stock-market capitalization to gross domestic product. As this chart from chartist Doug Short of Advisor Perspectives shows, the Buffett indicator is at extreme levels:

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Doug Short, Advisor Perspectives

Corporate profit margins are near all-time highs, helping to support today's stock prices. Note how profit margins generally revert to (and beyond) the mean:

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Business Insider, St. Louis Fed

Stock prices are still way above trend. The black "0%" line in the chart below (also from Doug Short) shows 150 years of average performance for the S&P 500. As the chart illustrates, prices have spent decades above and below this trend line. The "disaster scenario" for stock prices would simply mean that stock prices will do what they have always done, which is follow this two-decade period of above-trend performance with a decade or two below it.

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Doug Short, Advisor Perspectives

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It's time to revisit the disaster scenario for stock prices (2024)

FAQs

What happens to stock prices when a natural disaster happens? ›

Investors often react to uncertainty with risk aversion, leading to a wave of selling across the market. This can cause stock prices to drop, sometimes significantly, in the immediate hours and days following the disaster. Market volatility, a measure of price fluctuations, typically spikes during such events.

What is the 3-5-7 rule in trading? ›

What is the 3 5 7 rule in trading? A risk management principle known as the “3-5-7” rule in trading advises diversifying one's financial holdings to reduce risk. The 3% rule states that you should never risk more than 3% of your whole trading capital on a single deal.

Should I sell my stocks now in a recession? ›

While selling stocks during a market downturn might make you feel better temporarily, doing so reactively because stocks are tumbling isn't a good long-term investment strategy.

How long will it take to recover stock market losses? ›

As shown in the table below, most of the average recovery times are relatively short. For the large-blend category (home to widely held broad market index funds such as SPDR S&P 500 Index Trust SPY and Vanguard Total Stock Market Index VTSMX) for example, performance bounced back after about six months, on average.

What stocks to buy when a hurricane hits? ›

Below are a few hurricane stocks that typically do well during hurricane season:
  • HD (Home Depot)
  • MPX (Marine Products)
  • LOW (Lowe's Companies)
  • KMX (CarMax)
  • CAT (Caterpillar)
  • GNRC (Generac Holdings Inc.)

What happens to my money if the stock market crashes? ›

Do I lose all my money if the stock market crashes? While your stock holdings will likely take a hit in value during a stock market crash, most stocks generally retain a portion of their value. Each crash is a bit different, and the impact on various stocks and market sectors can vary widely.

Should I pull money out of the stock market now? ›

When the stock market is in free fall, holding cash helps you avoid further losses. Even if the stock market doesn't drop on a particular day, there is always the potential that it could have fallen—or will tomorrow. This possibility is known as systematic risk, and it can be completely avoided by holding cash.

Where is the safest place to put your money during a recession? ›

Cash equivalents include short-term, highly liquid assets with minimal risk, such as Treasury bills, money market funds and certificates of deposit. Money market funds and high-yield savings are also places to salt away cash in a downturn.

At what age should you get out of the stock market? ›

Experts with the Motley Fool suggest allocating an even higher percentage to stocks until at least age 50 since 50-year-olds still have more than a decade until retirement to ride out any market volatility.

How long did it take for the stock market to recover after 2008? ›

The bounce-back from the 2008 crash took five and a half years, but an additional half year to regain your purchasing power.

What to do when you lose all your money in the stock market? ›

The Investor's Recovery Plan: What to Do If You've Lost Money in the Stock Market
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  2. Go Easy on Yourself. ...
  3. Avoid Tax Mistakes. ...
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  6. Diversify Your Portfolio. ...
  7. Seeking Help When You've Lost Money in the Stock Market.
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What is the outlook for the stock market in 2024? ›

Overall, Yardeni Research forecasts S&P 500 operating earnings at $250 in 2024, up 12% vs 2023. He puts them at $270 in 2025 (up 8%) and $300 in 2026 (up 11.1%). These figures compare with analysts' consensus forecasts of $244.70 in 2024, $279.70 in 2025 and $314.80 in 2026.

How does a disaster affect the stock market? ›

How can natural disasters affect markets? In the wake of a natural disaster, assets like stocks and bonds can experience long-term losses that can take months or even years to recover from. Conversely, commodities can often increase in value due to supply and demand if the natural disaster has increased their scarcity.

How do natural disasters affect trade? ›

Disasters can have negative trade effects by interrupting the production and consumption of goods and services together with supply chains, and damage to critical transport infrastructure. The empirical literature establishes that the impact of hurricanes is large but short-lived (Klomp and Valckx 2014).

How do hurricanes affect the stock market? ›

Hurricanes and other extreme weather events also create spikes in uncertainty that can linger in financial markets for affected firms for months. Mispricing of such events in asset markets can lead to sudden sharp price corrections.

What do prices do during a natural disaster? ›

When natural disasters strike, consumers need necessities such as water, food, gasoline and lodging all at the same time. The higher demand inevitably triggers price increases as availability decreases.

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